How to feel empowered during fertility treatment

Fertility empowerment tips, from the best

Feeling empowered and in control is so often a lynchpin of the whole fertility treatment experience.

So for the best fertility empowerment tips, we asked Dr Alice Domar, an expert in mind/body medicine from The Prelude Network, for her pointers and perspective.

Watch for expert insights

This live interview was made possible by Leeaf – the incredible fertility support app. Watch it back now, as we unpack:

• How and why treatment can often feel stressful and overwhelming
• Tips on managing and keeping hopeful after an unsuccessful cycle
• How to ensure the best communication with your clinic
• How to relax during IVF treatment
• Top self-advocacy tips
• How to know when to seek a second opinion
• Up-to-the-minute fertility support for women

Keep building your tool kit

Find out more about the Leeaf app which transforms your journey with personalised fertility treatment recommendations for you and your physician.

For expert clinical support, do reach out to the team at The Prelude Network – they’re committed to offering the best treatment options, science, and patient care to anyone building towards becoming a parent.

Want more fertility empowerment tips? Bookmark these to read next:

• How to relax during IVF – a fertility doctor’s holistic toolkit
• Fertility and mindset – ways you can optimize your fertility foundation, through self-love and affirmations
• IVF stress – a very personal rollercoaster, and how to cope

Transcript

Eloise Edington

Hello, welcome, good morning, good afternoon. Welcome to those who are joining today. This is going to be a fantastic live session, which is sponsored by Leeaf, a data-driven fertility health platform that transforms the conception journey with personalized fertility treatment recommendations to physicians and patients.

Today, I’m going to be joined by Dr. Alice Domar, who is from Prelude Fertility, and she is an expert in mind and body medicine. So welcome to everyone who’s joining—good to see you today. Please do have any questions ready for us, and I’m sure that she would be delighted to answer them as we speak.

Hello, welcome Dr. Domar

Dr. Alice Domar

Good morning—or good evening for you, is it?

Eloise Edington

It is in the UK. Absolutely.

How are you?

Dr. Alice Domar

I’m good, thank you.

Eloise Edington

Good. Please do just give us an introduction about what you do, your speciality, and also The Prelude Network.

Dr. Alice Domar

Sure. My name is Dr. Alice Domar. I’m a health psychologist. I have spent the last 38 years of my career sort of splitting my personality in half, where I’m basically a half-time psychologist working with individuals and couples going through infertility and pregnancy loss, and a half-time researcher/investigator on the relationship between stress and infertility—both ways.

Two years ago, I joined the Inception Prelude Network as their Chief Compassion Officer, and then a couple of months later we created the Inception Research Institute. I’m the Director of the Inception Research Institute. I spend half my time creating stress management programs for employees and patients, and half my time doing research.

Eloise Edington

Fantastic. Well, it’s definitely well needed, and I’m sure everyone who is joining us today will be grateful to have your expertise. So thank you very much for being with us here.

We’re going to be speaking a bit about how to feel empowered during fertility treatment and your expert pointers and perspective.

First of all, I’d like to ask you—I’ve been there myself, I’ve had multiple rounds of IVF with sperm donation in the past—why is it that fertility treatment is or can be so overwhelming, and can make you feel rather desperate and lost and not in control of your life?

Dr. Alice Domar

Well, you know, first of all, just to make everybody feel normal: the majority of women and men who are going through infertility feel depressed and anxious. If you look at the data, one of my colleagues out of California did a study of women and men in treatment.

The majority of women had a psychiatric level of anxiety and depression. The men had—I think a third were depressed—and the majority were anxious, or maybe it was the reverse. But it just shows how hard infertility is.

These are not people who had a psychiatric history prior to infertility. They were normal, healthy people who wanted a baby and then tried for six months, a year, two years, three years, and then saw an infertility doctor and started treatment. It all adds up.

So, if you are feeling anxious or depressed, lonely, isolated, angry, frustrated, irritable—in my world, that means you’re entirely normal and you’re reacting to infertility in an entirely normal way.

There are lots of reasons for that. Number one—you mentioned it—is you just feel out of control. You feel out of control of your body and your relationships and your life.

I remember I was telling one of my patients this last week. One of my patients, years ago, said to me, “If you could just tell me when I’d be okay. Say, ‘Okay, 14 months from now you’re going to conceive a viable pregnancy,’ I’d say, ‘Okay, you know what, I would live my life for 14 months knowing that in 14 months I’m going to receive a viable pregnancy.’”

But right now, I don’t know if it’s going to be next month or six months or 12 months or two years or never. That uncertainty is really hard. It’s unlike any other disease.

If you’re in a relationship, it affects your relationship, it affects your sex life, your relationship with your family and friends, your job, your financial stability, your relationship with God.

And on top of it all, for the most part, women are blamed for the infertility—even though pretty much almost half the time, it’s a male factor.

Eloise Edington

It’s a really good point you raise about the uncertainty of not knowing if or when it will happen. You’re right, there’s just a lack of control, and I felt that before as well.

There are so many things that you can control in your life and you can change if they’re not going your way. And this is definitely not one of them.

You can obviously do your best to eat healthily and live the best you can and seek the best medical care, but there are so many other implications that come into it—like finances and like your mental health—that really can make it so, so challenging.

Dr. Alice Domar

I published a paper, I don’t know, probably about 25 years ago, that showed that women with infertility had the same level of anxiety and depression as women with cancer, AIDS, or heart disease.

I remember when I published that paper, my patients asked for a copy to show their mother or their mother-in-law or their boss. Just to show: “You know what, yeah, I’m miserable—but that’s normal for people going through infertility.”

And then when—sorry—when COVID hit—sorry, Boston, which is where I’m from, was hit really, really hard because there was a meeting in downtown Boston of one of the big pharma companies.

One of the scientists came from China and apparently had COVID. This was in, I think, March of 2020. Anyway, all 70 people in that room caught COVID, and they ended up having 300,000 cases from that meeting in Boston was hit really hard early on, and so a lot of IVF centers were actually closed by the Department of Public Health.

I was working at Boston IVF at the time, and we were closed. So we thought, okay, we need to find out how our patients are doing, because not only are they going through infertility, but now they can’t get treatment and their cycles were postponed.

We actually got data on, I think, about 3,000 patients, and they said that infertility was more of a stressor than COVID.

I don’t know if you remember, but in March and April, May of 2020, it was scary—like going to the grocery store felt like you were going to war— and yet our patients were suffering.

There was another study out of New York where, again, the clinics were closed down, and they sent a survey to their patients asking, “How are you coping?” And it was 21 or 22% of them who said that having their cycle canceled or postponed was equivalent to losing a child.

Thank God I have never been in the position of losing a child, but I can tell you I know a number of people who have, and that is an unbearable loss. For these patients to have their cycle canceled or postponed shows the depth of how hard this is.

Eloise Edington

Well, I guess that was another uncertainty, wasn’t it? With treatment closing and halting, people panicking and thinking, “Well, maybe I’ve got a low egg reserve and time is against me, and what does this mean?”

“I had planned this in my head, and now I’ve got to change everything in my life without knowing when it’s going to happen”. Horrible.

Dr. Alice Domar

Yeah, no one knew. I don’t know what happened in the UK, but about half of clinics in the US shut down either voluntarily, or like ours, they were shut down by the Department of Public Health because they needed the doctors and nurses.

Eloise Edington

Yeah, it was the same here, absolutely.

So what would be your tips to proactively manage your mental health and the stresses that come with fertility treatment, but also for people who are trying to conceive naturally and it’s not happening?

Dr. Alice Domar

We could spend two days on all the things I would recommend that people do. I sort of break them up into physical things that you can do versus emotional things that you can do.

For physical things, the four that I suggest:

Number one is incorporate some form of relaxation into your day-to-day life, whether it’s meditation or yoga or progressive muscle relaxation or imagery. There are thousands of different forms of relaxation.

I recommend to my patients that they download one of these apps—like, I don’t even know if Calm is available in the UK—but I suggest that my patients use that because it has a lot… well, you’re going to laugh at this, a lot of the relaxations are led by people with British accents, and people in the US love to hear British accents.

Anyway, I would incorporate some form of relaxation into your day-to-day life just because it brings down your baseline level of anxiety.

The second thing that I recommend is what we call mini relaxations—just slow, deep breathing—for those times when, you know, before and during a blood test, before and during an ultrasound. So the times where, you know, it kind of pushes your button. I don’t know if that’s an expression in the UK.

When you’re going through infertility, there are so many things that trigger you, and so you can do one of these minis either before—like before calling the clinic for test results or before looking at your portal—or during, like during a blood test or during an ultrasound, or while an IV is being inserted. So the mini relaxations are really helpful.

Number three is moderate exercise. There has been so much drama in the US, anyway, about what recommendations to make to people who are trying to get pregnant.

Literally 30–35 years ago, I was saying I don’t think vigorous exercise is a good idea. I don’t think being a couch potato is a good idea either.

Anyway, now I think actually the whole scientific community has kind of come together and agreed that moderate exercise really is the best thing. So walking, swimming, gentle forms of exercise are really good—both for your mind and your body.

Finally, you do want to look at your eating habits, because you want your body to be in a place where it wants to be able to support a growing life.

We know that being morbidly obese or being underweight increases the risk of infertility, and even infertility treatment is less effective if you’re obese or underweight. So no matter what, you need to look at what you’re eating.

What we tell our patients is to follow what we call the 80/20 plan: if 80% is the good stuff—whole grains, fruits, vegetables, nuts, olive oil, lean meats, all the stuff your grandmother used to tell you to eat—then the other 20% can be the chips or the cookies or biscuits or whatever, just so you don’t feel deprived all the time.

And if you are morbidly obese or if you are underweight, it does make sense to try to lose a small amount of weight or gain a small amount of weight just to get you back into that fertile zone.

So those are the physical strategies.

Eloise Edington

Do you not find as well that when you’re talking to patients who are having treatment at Prelude Fertility, being told by other people—family, friends, people who haven’t experienced this—to relax or not to be stressed only exacerbates the situation?

Dr. Alice Domar

If I had a nickel for every one of my patients who is told by somebody to “just relax,” I’d be richer than Bill Gates. Every patient—I’m sure I’ve seen tens of thousands of patients at this point—just relaxing doesn’t get someone pregnant.

Do I believe that stress could contribute to infertility? I do believe that.

Do I believe that stress can make treatment less effective for some people? Yes, I believe that too.

But if I have an infertility patient that I’m seeing, I am never going to say, “Do this relaxation technique and you’re going to get pregnant.” Because just relaxing doesn’t do it. There are a lot of ways to tackle the stress of infertility. Relaxation is one of about 10 different ways.

I think it’s really insulting. You would never say to a cancer patient, “Just relax and your cancer will go away.” I think it’s really an insulting—it’s an awful thing to say to infertility patients.

In fact, I tell my patients to memorize what I call snappy comeback lines. So if someone says, “Just relax and you’ll get pregnant,” to have memorized ways to respond to people so that you can be self-protective. Because people are going to say it to you—I guarantee it.

Or “Just adopt.” The other myth is “Just adopt and you’ll get pregnant.” No science behind that.

Eloise Edington

As I mentioned before, I have sperm donor–conceived children. My husband is clinically infertile.

We recently welcomed a second set of twins—yes, so we have five now. I am the sort of sperm donor advocate.

My husband—since we now have a large family—it’s unbelievable how many comments he’s had recently from people we don’t know at all, well, builders, whoever it might be, just making light of it and saying, “Get a vasectomy,” and these sorts of things.

He actually turned around to one of them yesterday—he walked away, ten minutes later came back and said, “I know you didn’t mean anything by that joke and it’s not affecting me, but this is our story. I’m clinically infertile and we only have children because of donor conception. So I’m okay with what you said, but I just think—please be aware of what people may have been through with their journey, because you never know what’s happening behind closed doors. So just think before you make a joke that might upset, offend, or trigger someone.”

Dr. Alice Domar

I am so impressed with your husband. I have to say, I’m not one of the sort of celebrity followers. I’ve had patients who are celebrities, and I learned a long time ago that celebrities are just normal people who happen to be famous.

I wish—well, let me rephrase that. I am so grateful to the celebrities in the last few years who have talked far more openly about their infertility journey.

I was stunned that Meghan Markle did an op-ed piece in The New York Times about her miscarriage, and I wish more people in the public eye would talk about their infertility because it’s brutal.

As I said, it’s the psychological impact of cancer. No one… you know, there’s nothing you do that causes infertility.

The World Health Organization has classified it as a disease, and so to blame people or to make comments—we need to educate the world. I was saying this to someone the other day: you’re too young to remember this, but this is probably, I don’t know, 40 years ago. The wife of the President of the US and the wife of the Vice President of the US were both diagnosed with breast cancer.

In those days, no one mentioned breast cancer—it was hidden in the closet. Betty Ford and Happy Rockefeller were very public about their breast cancer diagnosis, and all of a sudden, breast cancer became something people would talk about.

Now we have Breast Cancer Awareness Month; our football players wear pink sneakers in honor of it. I want the same thing for infertility.

I want people to be able to talk about their infertility without feeling embarrassed, without feeling shame, without feeling guilty. It’s a disease—like, I had back surgery. That’s why I’m squirming. I had back surgery three weeks ago. The world knows that I had back surgery.

I’m not ashamed that I had back surgery. Why should people be ashamed they have infertility?

Eloise Edington

Absolutely, and I feel the same way about donor conception as well, because it’s something—we know—we never would have had children without this help, without this help of science and the donor.

I wanted to ask you, and I have also been here as well—and I know that many of our community have—if a cycle does not work, it can feel again like another blow.

When you’ve been preparing for it, waiting for that date, waiting during the two-week wait to then have that awful moment of testing—not knowing whether you’re going to test at home on a stick or wait for a call after your bloods have been drawn—psychologically working out which way is better to hear the news is really hard.

What would be your recommendation for people who may have experienced an unsuccessful cycle and are working out what to do next?

Dr. Alice Domar

First of all, I’m very sorry, because an unsuccessful cycle is a tragedy. It’s a death of one’s dream.

I can tell you, anybody who’s been through a cycle—whether it’s an IUI or an IVF cycle—already fantasizes about what it’s going to be like to tell people they’re pregnant and how they’re going to decorate their nursery.

That’s what you have to do to keep yourself optimistic.

Eloise Edington

Calculating the due date.

Dr. Alice Domar

Exactly. The due date, the gender reveal, everything. I don’t know—people do these crazy gender reveals, but they’re very popular in the US right now. People set themselves on fire, all kinds of things.

So I would say, what I tell my patients is: never start a cycle without a Plan B. You don’t have to follow it, but just say, “Okay, if this cycle doesn’t work, we’re going to sit down with our physician and ask what they’ll change next time.

We will get a second opinion. We will move on to a higher level of treatment. I will lose 10 pounds. I will gain 10 pounds. I will stop smoking.

Whatever it is—have a Plan B. You don’t have to stick to it, but it means if you get that terrible negative pregnancy test, you have in your mind already what could be your next step.

And if you feel like lying in bed and crying for three days, that’s okay, because it really is a death. People don’t talk about it that way, but it is absolutely a death of a dream.

Eloise Edington 

Absolutely, and you’ve thought about this embryo or embryos. 

Dr. Alice Domar

I had patients who knew the sex of their embryos—which I wouldn’t recommend, because then, if it doesn’t work, it’s even harder.

Eloise Edington

Yeah, absolutely.

What about communication—communication with your clinic, advocating for yourself and asking questions—so you feel, I guess, educated and empowered and as in control as you can be about what’s going to be happening and what the next steps might be?

Dr. Alice Domar

Again, I’m at an advantage here because I don’t know a whole lot about clinics in the UK. Maybe 10 or 15 years ago, I actually did a lot of training at The Bridge—it was right near London Bridge. That’s the only clinic I know well in the UK.

These days, in the US, most clinics have portals. They have websites with a tremendous amount of information. Normally, these days people communicate with the nurses often through email or through the portal—not through phone calls.

I remember talking to one of the nurses when I was at Boston IVF, and she said, “I’ve had 83 phone conversations today.” Wow.

So I think you want to be informed and educated before you start your cycle. You want to peruse your clinic’s website very thoroughly, because most clinics these days put a lot of information on their websites. A lot of them have videos.

Think about good sources of information. What worries me is there are so many bad sources of information.

A study a few years ago showed that exactly half of all information on the internet is wrong. I can’t tell you what the sources are in the UK—maybe you could tell the listeners what the good sources are in the UK.

But for example, ESHRE—the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology—that would be an extremely good source of information because it’s all scientifically based. I know there’s a European support organization as well. I would avail yourself of those resources. Just be really careful.

If you go to these chat rooms, there’s a lot of wrong information exchanged. There are a lot of alternative practitioners who offer treatments that are expensive, where there’s no science to back them up.

If it sounds too good to be true, it is. You really want to stick with people who are scientifically based, research-based, follow treatments that we know have been published and have data to support their efficacy.

There are a lot of people out there who take advantage of infertility patients. Patients who are vulnerable—they’re very vulnerable.

Eloise Edington

Absolutely. We have a lot of followers and readers from the US, so of course ASRM is also a good place to find the right advice.

Dr. Alice Domar

 In the US, that would be asrm.org. . The support organization in the US is Resolve—resolve.org. I used to be on their board, so I really do trust everything on their website. They provide, in the US, support groups pretty much in every state.

Every country has something. You just have to be really careful. Almost every day I’ll have a patient say, “Oh, I went and tried this practitioner who charged me $1,000,” and I’m like, “You know what? There’s no data on that, and what they’re offering might interfere with the treatment your physician is recommending.” So you have to be really careful.

Eloise Edington

Absolutely. My husband and I had treatment in the States, and—like you were just saying—it brought back memories, even though our last cycle was very recent.

Phone calls from nursing staff, equally, as a patient, can feel overwhelming versus reading something on an email or portal.

Dr. Alice Domar

Yeah, especially if you’re on the go or if you’re at work and you’re trying to write down what medication you’ve been told to take that evening, and you’re repeating it to make sure that you’ve got the dosage right.

I know that patients carry such a weight of responsibility, thinking, “What if I get this wrong and mess up the cycle?”

And that happens. I’ve had a lot of patients who didn’t hear it right—this is in the olden days, before we had portals and emails and such.

I think that’s why all the Prelude clinics now use a portal to give all instructions, so everything’s in writing.

Every one of our patients can look at their portal and, every day, see what the instructions actually are—exactly how much medication, what kind of medication, what time of medication, etc.

That gives the patients—there was a study that came out years ago that says when you’re anxious, you don’t retain 93% of what a doctor or nurse tells you and so

If you are listening to instructions over the phone, there’s a really good chance you’re going to get it wrong. So having these—our Prelude Connect portal—is just a wonderful thing for our patients, because they know they’re not going to get it wrong.

Eloise Edington

Yeah, absolutely. And what would you say about the importance of advocating for yourself as a fertility patient?

Dr. Alice Domar

You know, I’m of two minds, because I feel like half of me advocates for the patient and half of me works for a large network of clinics. It is really hard to be an infertility patient because we expect patients to know a lot.

For example, going through an IVF cycle is really complicated, and what you need to learn and understand—luckily now through, I think it’s called EngagedMD—we have these videos you can watch and educate yourself over and over and over again until you get it right. So I think now it’s much easier for patients than it was ten years ago.

But you still have to be pretty sophisticated to learn how to give yourself injections and the right kind of injections and the timing and everything else. I think educating yourself is really important. I agree that advocating for yourself is also very important.

Luckily now, because things are done via portal, you’re not going to have the miscommunication we had five, ten, fifteen years ago. In the olden days, a physician would give orders to a nurse and then the nurse would give the orders to the patient, and it could be like a game of telephone.

But now when a physician gives orders, they go into the portal, and it’s direct information that the patient gets, and there’s no chance of a patient getting erroneous information.

So I think that’s going to decrease a patient’s need to be hyper-vigilant about the information that they’re getting. In terms of advocating for themselves—I’ve been to almost all of our clinics—our physicians and nurses and everybody who works in an infertility clinic is doing that job because they desperately want every patient to be able to create a family.

People get busy, there’s no question. All clinics are busier than they’ve ever been before. In the US they’re very busy, because thank heavens, way more people have insurance coverage now for infertility. Lots more people have a chance to do infertility treatment. Clinics are busy, and things like portals do decrease the burden on the staff so they can meet the needs of their patients better.

But if you don’t feel that you’ve been treated fairly or well, or a mistake has been made, you need to speak up and get someone to hear you.

Eloise Edington

My fertility specialist—I remember her saying that fertility patients are some of the best patients you can get in terms of coming into consultations having read everything and almost bringing up medical jargon as the treatment’s going through, from everything that people have read.

Dr. Alice Domar

A study came out—I don’t know if it was ten years ago or fifteen years ago—the average infertility patient spends four hours a day online.

Eloise Edington

Really? That’s not surprising, actually.

Dr. Alice Domar

I don’t know if that’s still true, because now there’s Instagram and all kinds of other things.

But I can tell you, I’ve had some very sophisticated patients who used terms that I had to look up, and I’ve had some patients who didn’t want to know anything, but then were caught off guard throughout the cycle.

For example, one thing people don’t talk a lot about is—starting an IVF cycle doesn’t guarantee you’re going to have a transfer. I don’t think people talk about that enough.

I have a patient now whose first IVF cycle was cancelled. It was her first IVF cycle—she didn’t even know that a cycle could get cancelled. She was totally caught off guard. She’s my patient now, and we’ve talked about it, and she’s since had two good cycles.

But yeah, just because you start any kind of cycle doesn’t mean you’re going to end up with a possibility of a pregnancy. Having a cancelled IVF cycle when you put so much time, energy, money, etc. into it, and have it cancelled, can feel devastating.

Eloise Edington

What you said was really true about expectations or preparation that you can do—looking after yourself in terms of eating well and living the best you can.

I remember going into my first IVF cycle, age 30, nearly 31, due to male factor fertility, thinking, “I’m going to get loads of eggs, this is going to work straight away.” Really disappointing result.

It did end up with one live birth, but that was the second time round, with the frozen embryo. But that was the only embryo from that cycle.

Whereas my last cycle, age 38, had better results—from me, with everything we do with The Ribbon Box, following what I know in terms of the best expert-led guidance on health and nutrition and preparation and all of the above.

And I do believe that also had a role to play with the result and the egg quality that came out of it—versus me not preparing at all at age 30, thinking, “Well, it will be fine because I’m young.”

Dr. Alice Domar

Well, it’s interesting. The other day I was talking to one of my daughters and she was saying someone—one of her friends who’s 28—went through infertility treatment.

And my daughter is 28. She said, “How can someone have infertility at 28?” I said, “I’ve had 22- or 23-year-old patients with infertility.” Being young doesn’t guarantee you’re fertile, and being 42 doesn’t guarantee you’re infertile. These are correlations, they’re not definitive.

One thing I talk to patients about who’ve had a cycle cancelled or postponed, or have had a pregnancy loss and have to take several months off—and for any patient, not doing something right now is really hard—for example, one of my patients just had an early pregnancy loss and has to take two months off before she can do another embryo transfer. She’s frantic.

And I said, “Okay, let’s just reframe this. You have two months to get as physically and psychologically healthy as you possibly can. Let’s look at this as an opportunity rather than a burden.”

And she took me really seriously. She’s started walking, she took a yoga class, she’s trying to eat more healthfully, she’s getting her husband to stop using—marijuana. She’s really working on how she can be her healthiest self.

And it sort of sounds like what you did—that at 30, you didn’t bother because you were young and assumed your eggs were great. But at 38, maybe you needed to do a little more to be your healthiest self.

When I talk about it—because I’m a mind-body expert—it’s your mind and your body that need to be here.

Eloise Edington

Absolutely. It’s been absolutely fascinating to speak to you today. Thank you so much.

My last question, if you have time, was just about seeking a second opinion. You mentioned that—what would be your advice for people who might be thinking, “Is it time to look at other alternatives?”

Dr. Alice Domar

You know—and I’ll be very blunt—I think one’s relationship with one’s infertility doctor is like any other relationship: there needs to be chemistry.

These days, you don’t even see your doctor all that much. Now that I’ve worked at an IVF clinic, I know how much goes on behind the scenes. You may see your doctor once or twice and then do an IVF cycle and maybe see them afterwards. I think these days it’s less important than it probably was fifteen years ago.

When you work at a practice with multiple physicians, you might actually have a different physician do your retrieval or your transfer.

After working at an IVF center—if you like the other physician better than your physician—they’d much rather you switch within the clinic rather than go to a different clinic.

So if you like the clinic, then perhaps switch physicians within that clinic. If you don’t like the clinic, then you may want to find a physician at a different clinic.

I’ve been wanting for the last ten years to write a book on how to live a regret-free life. My agent thinks it’s a great idea, but no publisher does.

What I say to my patients every day is: every decision you make about every step of the way—which decision is going to give you the least opportunity for regret?

If you don’t like your doctor or your clinic and you’re sticking with them, I don’t want you to then reach the end of the road and really wish you had gotten a second opinion.

Eloise Edington

So great. 

Dr. Alice Domar

You have to be proactive

Eloise Edington

Thank you so much, Dr. Domar, for your time today. It’s been absolutely fascinating and really enjoyable speaking to you and for all your insight and advice. I’m sure everyone will be very grateful.

And for anyone who does need any support or would like to reach out, please do follow the link in our bio.

Today’s session was sponsored by Leeaf, and also we are very grateful to have been able to speak to the Prelude Fertility Network.

Thank you once again, and enjoy the rest of your day.

Thanks everyone for joining.

Dr. Alice Domar

Thank you. Bye.

Eloise Edington

Bye-bye.